Sandra P2 Heaven and Forgiveness

 Sandra Part 2

So when we're here, ( in spirit ) we finally have the capability to see things, and to mend things, and to know that we are not going to be harmed, we also have a chance to forgive. The more you forgive, the lighter you are, the more capable you are, of ascending -- I don’t know any other word to use. Once you are there, then you can lead others, other souls that are beautiful beautiful ones. Not the ones with the chains on them, they are still clanking around, but the good people.

There is a little lady ... I grew up in a small town in Mississippi, and we had a 5 and dime store. There was a sweet little old lady, , , The little children, the black children, didn’t have any money. They would come in with a penny for candy once a week, she would always give them an extra piece. People like that are up there. A lot of the greatest souls are the ones that you never hear about.

The politicians, they’re down here, (laughing) They're wondering why they are not going anywhere, they are pounding themselves into the ground! Oh I laughed so much! Some of the politicians made it, but they were still patting themselves on the back. Going around and wanting to shake everyone’s hand and no one is interested in how great they are, because there is no difference. The only difference is in capability and I guess you could say in likeness.

Likeness in the amount of forgiving you have done, you see forgiving is like being very muddy and going through a shower or a car wash or something. Every time we forgive, you are forgiving your self mostly. But say my husband, all the unkind things he said, other hurtful things that he did, when I forgive that I am loosening up a lot of the junk that is attached to the chain I have been dragging. Every time you have a resentment, you put another link in your chain with something on that link, a memory, its your linking . it all that is, is who you are – that is a personality. If you can get rid of those links all the way down to the one that is on your ankle, imagine how godly you are? See I have not been able to get rid of all of it yet, I still have some things.

But some of the chains, oddly enough, are beautiful ones. They are best friend type things. But you even give those up because, when , you have your idea of my best friend is great because…., you are overlooking something. Like my friend Corrine, she had some things about her that I didn’t even know. And when I got on the other side, she shared a great many things I didn’t know. If I had been a little bit more aware and attuned, I would have seen these things. I could have helped her. I used to regret that. But if you take off the links of friendship, it allows the friendship to grow deeper. Right now it feels so odd, it feels so heavy, now that I have been where I am. I feel the sadness just weighing her down right now, she is going to have to release it, and to recognize that it is a natural thing. It is alright to be sad, but you have to let it go. Because when you let it go, your love for that person can grow even deeper than it is right now.

Lewis: So how are you now?

Sandra: You know when I was here in life, I was most happiest when I was singing. Now not only can I sing, but I can do so with much more feeling, clarity. The blending of voices is beautiful beyond description! I have no job or children to pull me away from what I desire. It is something, it is like when you are a child on Christmas morning, finding the present you wanted under the Christmas tree and being able to play with it all day, instead of having your big brother taking it from you. It is being able to continue to grow deeper, and stronger, and better into it without interruption. It is to be able to put your heart into it so fully and feel the dynamic of it grow -- I think those are the best words to describe what heaven is.

Heaven is using the very thing God gave you to develop and you can do so without restraint, beyond any limit or capabilities you that thought you might have had in your life. It is the greatest form of ecstasy to do what you always wanted to do and more. I used to dream what would it be like to sing in the chorus at a production at Carnegie Hall. Now where I am, Carnegie hall, for all of its greatness, is a bit sour and off tune. There can be no blending, intuitive blending like Heaven. Can you imagine being the conductor of an orchestra and having perfect harmony, perfect synchronization, because you are all of one mind? You can be the whole orchestra and the chorus. That is what I guess they say is to make a joyful noise! Its just beyond comparison to anything here. The more you go with it, you don’t ever become …

Oh when you are here and you are a teenager and you fall in love for the first time, it’s like the 4th of July fireworks! And then a few weeks later, you see your boyfriend talking to another girl, or you hear that he has asked somebody else out, or he tells you that you look flat footed ... or just something, and the little romance caves in on you. Then you are back down to where you were before, and the world looks the same again.

Where I am, the world is different, and it stays different and it grows better, continuously better. The more harmony there is, the more I can grow in my capabilities, the more I can blend my capabilities with others. The more love -- when I am doing what I am doing what I love the best, I am creating love. I am making it grow and touch others. That is what we could all do.

It is so much greater than just loving a friend or a family member. And that is about the greatest thing we have here, is a family member or a friend or a spouse, or for some maybe it’s just a pet. But take that feeling and go with it and magnify it hundreds of times. And each time you magnify it, include others. You all are interconnected. You all know how each other feels. And we feel sadness, there is no doubt about it -- when we see someone who is dark, we feel sadness. But then we recognize it, and we feel love towards this person. And as we feel the love, we release the sadness. Let it go. We become whole again, and we become closer to each other.

You know there are what I would call angels, people who are very much like that TV program that Sally Field was always in? [The Flying Nun] There are people that are cheerful like that who come and see to it that you learn cheerfulness. The more cheerful you are, the more capable you are of forgiving yourself, and the more you forgive yourself the more cheerful you can be. It’s a growing thing. But these are not always people we have known here, they are people who have already been, and who knows they could even be the real angels but, I like to think of them as angels that’s what I think of them. And they help us, so it is not like we are orphans thrown out onto a desolate plain by ourselves.

When we go to sleep and we are numb and we wake up for the first time, because it is the first time, there is usually at least one smiling one, calmly waiting. I used to call them the delivery nurses because I felt it was a lot like being a baby. Because babies can’t talk, and we have all the capabilities of thought formation and more, because we have our memories. And the delivery nurses are always very calm. They don’t usually say very much, because I have watched how they work. They closely listen because they want us to tell, when we get into this, we want to tell all the things that we felt. All the people we knew, the fun things we did, we get off our chest the things we knew we did but didn’t feel good about them when we did them. So we always like to help the delivery nurses out a little.

Delivery nurses are of course in the hospitals. When somebody dies at home, it is a little different. They are there, but it’s a lot calmer setting than it is in the hospital: hustle and bustle and there is all kinds of tension always. So when you die at home, it is much quieter. I did not have that peace. There are some who do.

Lewis: So where you are at now, does your understanding of God continue to grow?

Sandra: Well you know the closest I ever felt to God was when I was in the choir at church. The music, in the early mornings the light would come through the rose window in the church, and the light would come down sometimes in great beams. And when I was singing in the middle of the choir, that was the closest I felt to God. And now that I am where I am, and the depth and blending of the choir is so much greater, and its of one mind, although it’s not like we lose our identities and become little automatons. It is like we become a united work of linked minds and feeling hearts, all putting our heart into it. Each one a masterpiece, and the masterpiece as a whole is just beyond expression. I know this is God’s creation, and I am so privileged to be a part of it! So that yes, my concept has expanded hundreds of times over what it was here, and I imagine it will keep growing.

Lewis: I want to clarify this. Have you ever spoken to anyone about the angels or Christ?

Sandra: No, I’ve just gone where my heart leads me. I stayed here as long as I could, and I did what I could for them. When I saw the light coming back into them, I knew I could leave. My brother was waiting for me when I woke up. He was my delivery nurse. He looked wonderful! He was very patient and understanding with me, and he showed me around. He showed me about the light. I used to sit on the bed next to my daughter Sally and you know how I told you to pet the cat? I would pet her, she had a new baby when I died. I never did get to see him when I was alive. He was born 5 months after, and she grieved in her heart over that tremendously. I could see him lying down in the bed next to her like a little glowing jelly bean. And I, it was so neat, I could see her put her arm around him, and the little jelly bean would send his light up her arm, and it would go only so far and then it would stop. She is all right now.

 When I started seeing the light come back into them, my brother asked me if I wanted to move on. I said, “well what else is there for me to do?” And he said, “I know where you want to be, in the choir.” I said, ''the choir? Oh yes! Where is the choir?” We always make jokes about the choir of angels. And on our way there I kind of joked and asked, “do they look like the Mormon Tabernacle choir?” And he said, “better, they have sent you a special invitation.” Because in this life I couldn’t find Carnegie Hall, he said better because the acoustics are perfect. We laughed all the way there. My brother Jimmy, he was always so light of heart when he was young, it was like we were kids again together. He was a big pest but we really enjoyed each other while we were young.

Lewis: I am glad you are so happy.

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